Robert Ringer

Just Who Are the Establishment Republicans?

By Robert Ringer - Thursday, December 15, 2011

As the wild and wooly Republican race approaches blastoff time in Iowa, an interesting undercurrent is emerging — a battle between establishment Republicans and anti-establishment Republicans.

When Ann Coulter appeared on Hannity Tuesday night and insisted that Mitt Romney is one of the two (along with Michele Bachmann) most conservative candidates in the Republican field, it was enough to take a constitutional conservative’s breath away.  So I knew there would be fireworks when the purist conservative analyst this side of Proxima Centauri, Michelle Malkin, followed up Coulter’s appearance on Hannity with one of her own Wednesday night.

With Michelle, it’s never about tiptoeing to avoid hurting anyone’s feelings.  The woman is simply incapable of dealing in B.S.  So it wasn’t surprising that she opened by saying that Mitt Romney has been accused of many things, but being a conservative is not one of them.  From that point on, Hannity was so upset that he didn’t allow her to fully make her points.

He was clearly frustrated because, he said, the Republican establishment wants to tell Republican voters who is, and is not, a true conservative.  Interestingly, earlier in the show, Bill Bennett was a guest, and he, too, took some jabs at the Republican establishment.

For me, the whole thing was surreal.  When I think of establishment Republicans, names like Bill Bennett, Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich all come to mind.  If these guys are not establishment Republicans, then the scary question is, just who is an establishment Republican?

The problem is that the Republicans have lost their way — so much so that they don’t even know who they are.  Republicans are so afraid of Barack Obama winning reelection that they are lashing out at one another and, ironically, giving him a free pass.

Short of a Ron Paul miracle, a less-than–pure Republican is going to be running against Barack Obama next year.  And, likely, some will see him as an establishment Republican and some will see him as an anti-establishment Republican.  But regardless of how he’s labeled, one thing is for certain:  He will do little, if anything, to make a serious dent in government spending, government regulation, and government intrusion in our private lives.

That being the case, does it really matter if he’s called an establishment Republican or anti-establishment Republican?  It’s just another in a long line of distractions that take the focus off the real problem — that the United States is now a socialist country heading rapidly toward a much worse fate.

Wake up, Republicans — it’s musket time!

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45 Responses to “Just Who Are the Establishment Republicans?”

  1. Reality Seeker says:

    The presstitutes employed at the mainstream-estabishment-media-whore house, better know as Fox News, love RINOs. Ann Coulter loves RINOs, too. That should have been obvious long ago.

    Ann reminds me of any one of Count Dracula’s wives in the movie Van Helsing. In fact, if Ron Paul and/or libertarianism is brought up in any meaningful discussion, then Ann bears her fangs and hisses like the vampirical whore whom she is..

    Fox News, with the exception of a few pet humans like Judge Andrew Napolitano, is filled with propagandist-sellout vampires who know whom they are, viz. darkness loving blood suckers who live in the shadow of none other than the Prince of Darkness himself, Rupert Murdoch.

    Furthermore, as long as Hannity, O’reilly, Huckabee, Morris, Coulter, Rove et al are roaming around at Count Dracula’s Whore Castle, then you can count on hearing all manner of sibilant sounds—hissing, yawlping shrieking—whenever anybody attempts to tell the whole truth, even if it’s one of their own, viz. Michelle Malkin.

    If Jeb Bush runs for office and anybody dares to tell the truth by calling him what he is(an insider) then the vampires at Fox News will do just what the Prince of Darkness wants them to do: Hypnotize the ignorant masses into believing that Jeb is an outsider so more blood can be sucked.

    That wandering idiot-savant, Glenn Beck, was lucky to get out of Fox News alive. Hopefully, Dr. Paul can fully cure Glenn of his porphyria and leave him with some apotropaics.

  2. jerome says:

    Ann Coulter, Hannity, O’Reilly, Karl Rove, Krauthammer and the rest of the FAUX News buffoons are the mouthpiece for establishment Republicans who are Twins with the Establishment Democrats who are at the end of the Day, of One Mind Set and One Party and that is the One Big Government Party that loves the system that allows them to enrich themselves by courting Lobbyists while the rest of the country burns. It is time for a legitimate 2 party system to be born after the 2012 elections. This time around, we need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils and vote Republican, but after this election, we need to start a second party to challenge the one Big Government Party we now have in charge. This one big government party has 2 factions: Establishment Democrats and Establishment Republicans. These 2 groups represent the same interests and those interests do not include the interest of the Hardworking Men and Women of the USA and they do not represent a Sovereign United States.

    • Reality Seeker says:

      Jerome,

      No offense, but can you handle the truth? The truth is that IF a “[semi]-legitimate 2 party system [is] to be born,” then one of the existing parties must die and be laid to rest right next to the Wig party. And I will give you one guess which party that is….

      Here is what is going to happen: We activist libertarians have had enough of the RINOs trampling and defecating all over our Constitutional/Natural rights. We know the end is near for the U.S. economy (1-10 yrs). We know that history has reached a tipping point; therefore, this is an opportunity of a lifetime. It’s time to win or go down swinging. And if that means fracking The RINO party so that some third party has a chance against the collectivists, then that’s what we intend to do.

      Actually, The RINO party (aka The Republican party) is about to frack itself, because 2012 is going to be a year like no other in terms of economic, geopolitical turmoil. The Grand Old Party has partied all the way to the edge of the cliff.

      Ron Paul may just very well be their last best hope to reform and turn back before they get shoved off. Will the RINO’s ever learn?

      Nah, I say it’s almost time for freedom lovers, who have the will to fight, to oil up their Muskets and drive the party animals right on over and down where they belong.

      • freespirit says:

        Congressman Paul is an Independent Conservative who is speaking to the ideological center of the American electorate. Paul wants to dismantle the welfare and warfare systems that hold so much power in the United States and have the country on the verge of bankruptcy. This common sense conservatism is resonating with more and more people who are tired of welfare state politicians in both parties, dinosaur Conservatives on the airwaves, and political insiders within the GOP who have sold them a bill of goods for decades. People are waking up to a different reality and a new political consensus is emerging. This is an existential threat to the establishments. This is indeed the Age of Ron Paul.

    • reunion says:

      <It is time for a legitimate 2 party system to be born after the 2012 elections.

      the bar has been depleted. the carpets are littered, soiled. the furnishings are smashed. there are holes in the walls. the toilets are backed up, overflowing.

      it's time to stop the party. past time.

      <This time around, we need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils and vote Republican, but after this election, we need to start a second party to challenge the one Big Government Party we now have in charge.

      hair of the dog that has been mauling you, forever. denial, "just once more; i'll quit tomorrow" is not a prescription.

      establishment vs anti-establishment? please.

      federalists::::::lincoln::wilson::fdr::truman::eisenhower::lbj::nixon::reagan::bushes::clinton::obama….call these throttles whatever you like, cuz it doesn't matter what you call them, at all. the enginneers have been hurtling this train toward the deadend, from inception. the precipice, abyss, looms.

      james has/is doing something about his dyslexia. many of the rest of you prefer to clump with your fellow crosswires and tell yourselves the room is full, so it must be true. party on, dudes.

      "when outnumbered, don't count heads – weigh them." i have this as being from dr. peter beckmann (saw it somewhere, many years ago), but a search makes it seem likely it was petr beckmann…..

      • Reality Seeker says:

        reunion,

        I knew you’d say that, because you’re the beau ideal of non-aggression and free choice.

        Of course, you already know that when the invisible depression can no longer remain as such and the true pain is thus felt by all those dimly-aware-sellout Republican-voters, then most of said dimwits will be switching their vote and supporting the Guillotine party candidate. All of the current rhetoric—e.g. “can’t we all get just get along for now and vote out the democratic enemy”— will be exchanged for “I can’t take this anymore” where the $%#@& is my baseball bat.”

        Nothing will change—viz. money printing, advancing social-fascism, RINO deception, presstitution, et al— until it must

        Nothing will change– i.e. “as Mencken wrote: every two to four years they let the idiots vote so that they will feel important”— until it must.

        Nothing will change until it must. And every once in a blue moon, it must………

        The only question is is the blue moon about to rise?

        • reunion says:

          i see the moon alright. big fat hairy disgusting thing has been in my face since the 70′s (which is to say that’s when i began to recognize it for what it was – but it has been hanging low in the sky since way before that…).

          the piece i’ve been dropping snippets here from, lord acton’s writing, talks about how the french alliance with the colonies (besides being essential to the success of the revolution – did you ever hear that in grade school?), also imported the revolutionary thought to france.

          “when the french officers were leaving, cooper, of boston, addressed them in the language of warning: “do not let your hopes be inflamed by our triumphs on this virgin soil. You will carry our sentiments with you, but if you try to plant them in a country that has been corrupt for centuries, you will encounter obstacles more formidable than ours. our liberty has been won with blood; you will have to shed it in torrents before liberty can take root in the old world.” adams, after he had been president of the united states, bitterly regretted the revolution which made them independent; because it had given the example to the french; although he also believed that they had not a single principle in common.”

          • reunion says:

            “what the french took from the americans was their theory of revolution, not their theory of government – their cutting, not their sewing.”

            two centuries of corruption, here, is fewer than europe’s. but more than enough. if it comes at all, it will be the french version, this time.

            i would indeed like to see the moon go blue…as in oxygen deprived, dead.

  3. Charles says:

    Right On ,Just call a spade a SPADE

  4. frank says:

    dear right again robert:

    of all the disappointents i have seen this past year
    the worst is listening to socalled conservatives have almost no faith in freee markets…instead when push comes to shove they worship BIG GOVERNMENT ..this one from a 2008 abc news story speaks for itself….

    “….By Natalie Gewargis
    Sep 29, 2008 2:11pm
    Gingrich Switches Bailout Stance

    ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich reversed course on Monday, issuing a statement saying that if he were still in office he would “reluctantly and sadly” support the $700 billion Wall Street bailout bill.

    Gingrich, who led the charge against the bailout last week, explained his change in position by saying that the House Republicans, “reinforced by John McCain,” have improved the bill “significantly” so it is “less bad” than the original proposal offered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

    While saying that he sympathizes with any member of Congress who votes “no,” Gingrich says in his statement that the crisis of the credit markets is real and could have “horrendous” consequences……”

  5. BLH557 says:

    The point is this: ANY Republican, Libertarian, Tea Partier or Texas Aggie Mascot would (will) be a better pick than the Obamao. And, yes, short of a bomb blast killing every other Republican Candidate, with the notable exceptions of Rick Santorum, John Huntsman and Ron Paul, the changes of crazy uncle Ronny being the nominee are remote, at best… actually any number greater than zero, at best.

  6. texas wolfie says:

    This election is about voting for the lesser of two evils and nothing more. We should hve geared up a third party 8 years ago but now it is a little late to conjure and prop up a doomed third party. It’s the same old “what will it be folks, Twiddle Dee or Twiddle Dum?” Anything but Obama. Yep the establishment Republicans are banking on that this time around to court the moderates and to hell with the true conservatives.

    • Hillfarmer says:

      Eight years ago?

      The Libertarian Party was formed 40 years ago but most of us were not smart enough to get aboard then. I still believed that if we could elect enough Republicans we could straighten this country out. But then we give the Republicans a majority and they made things worse. Reagan really kicked farmers in the teeth. Bush kicked us all.

      As for the lesser of two evils how do you tell which is lesser? No, I will not vote for evil. I have in the past but no more. I believe we will actually be better to continue with Oboma then to change to someone like Neutered Gingrich, or Barack Romney, or any of the other frugal Socialists wanting to be prez. Oh yea, I know a lot of you just got angry but look at the facts. There is less then an inflated fiat Nickel’s worth of difference between Bush and Oboma but many of you who are angry at me right now defended Bush and let him establish a bunch of police state measures. But now when Oboma tries to do the same type of thing you fight him. If we elect an evil Republican many good Americans will let their guard down and allow him to move us closer to a police state without ever objecting.

      Yes we have to face the facts. The Chicago Tribune in 1970 wrote; “It is a known fact that the policies of the government today, weather Republican or Democrat are closer to the 1932 platform of the Communist Party then they are to either of their own platforms in that critical year.”

      • reunion says:

        kud, hillfarmer…just another step, and you’ll earn the “os” to hang off the end of what is still just the masticate that bovines regurgitate back into their mouths for a little more chewing – and wouldn’t kudos be more pleasant than yet another bale of genetically modified alfalfa hay?

        more republicans would save the day, eh? do you have any idea, at all, what lincoln and the repubs did? you want MORE republicans?

        i’m flashing on that scene in “the deer hunter” where michael (robert deniro) talks the viet captors into letting he & his buddy (chris walken) play russian roulette with 3 rounds chambered, instead of just one.

        do you have some sort of similar plan? or is the thought of the sound of one more “click” just too much to bear?

        • reunion says:

          oy vey! you got the kudos, hillfarmer – & i got the kud.

          total misread. i don’t just want an edit button/feature – i need it.

          **that russian roulette pic is public domain now, tho, for the rest of you who fit the misread……

  7. Chris McMorrow says:

    Rob,

    You are so RIGHT!

    The problem with most Republicans is, they hang out at all these cocktail parties with liberals… and… they want to come across as “reasonable” and “cool” to anti-Americans (i.e. LIBERALS).

    They completely forget WHY they were sent to Washington… and WHO sent them there.

    By the way, WHY did the Republican Speaker of the House go through the CHARADE of publicly reading the the U.S. Constitution on the floor of the House if he had ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF DEFENDING IT against “President” Obama?

    A REAL Republican would DEMAND a balanced budget… would lead by example by submitting a bill requiring a 20% pay cut for ALL congressmen… a bill would also require all congressman to pay for their OWN health insurance out of their OWN pockets. (Now THAT would leadership by example!)

    Moreover, a TRUE Republican would fight the liberal TRAITORS (and that is exactly what they are) “tooth and nail,” every day, on the floors of the Senate and House. They would regularly cite the Constitution… AND the founding fathers.

    They would vote against EVERY socialist, unconstitutional bill that came down the Democrat sewage pipe, regardless of whether or not it might cost them re-election.

    Why won’t the Republicans run an articulate, anti-socialism, “tooth n’ nail” defender of our U.S. Constitution?

    Rob, thank you for your courage and clarity in calling spades spades!

  8. john bear says:

    This political cage fighting will end as it always does: the (D)emons beat the (R)ats; even if the (R)ats win they will be controlled by the (D)emons. In ’08 we saw how easy it was to buy a presidency. Second Hussein has, for the past three years, been wrecking what was left of this nation after Baby Bush the Idiot greased the skids — he was, after all,a Leftist in Conservative drag. As Mencken wrote: every two to four years they let the idiots vote so that they will feel important.

  9. Here is the bottom line as I see it. Those who are far left will vote for Obama. Those who are far right will vote for the Republican candidate. Mitt Romney seems to be in the best position to get the moderate and independent vote. While I don’t agree with all his positions, the defeat of Obama is paramount.

    • reunion says:

      < While I don’t agree with all his positions, the defeat of Obama is paramount.

      the enemy of my enemy is my friend destroys the meaning of "friend", and is a perpetual circle jerk.

      without a study of history, or barring that, decent street smarts (even thugs who speak in grunt-rap-ebonics know this), you're in lather-rinse-repeat, forever…you are IN the machine, it is spinning you, you are not spinning it…..

    • Sasha says:

      That was the exact reasoning of the Dems in 2008. Look what it got us..and them.

  10. Bruce says:

    I must admit that I agree (mostly) with all of the comments to this excellent piece. For me it is problematic that we as “all the people right of center” are in a self destruct mode.
    obama socialists and the rest of the garbage left of center must be laughing watching us destroy any chance of ousting hussainO.
    I think the question we must ask ourselves is: “If you could replace obama and his administration TODAY with any one of the republican candidates (even the one you hate the most) would you do it?”

    My answer if Hell yes! what is you answer?

    • Hillfarmer says:

      My answer is Hell NO!

      This approach is what the establishment Republicans want us to do so they can continue the march towards socialism. We must hold their feet to the fire. Either they nominate Ron Paul and support the Constitution and freedom or we let them die the death they deserve.

      Only those who do not understand what is going on in the United States today will take that approach.

      • Bruce says:

        Well if the end contest comes down to Paul vs Obama I will vote for Paul.
        Are you saying if Paul doesn’t get the nomination you will punish the republican establishment by voting for obama?

        That’s just plain stupid!

        • reunion says:

          paul is the great white hopium (against the blood red demon warfare-welfare-state, which, btw, is a redundancy, all three ways).

          what he’s saying is “all, or nothing” (because he has learned that the repubs are nothing…new…ever). same holds for the dems. paul is an infiltrated libertarian. (and if that’s not what he’s saying, i am.)

          voting is “just plain stupid”. but if you must, let paul be the one you finally kick the habit with (whether he’s nominated, or not).

  11. larry hagedon says:

    Ron Paul will likely take Iowa, now that Herman suspended his plan due to the vicious smear campaign coming from the Democrats and their major media propaganda arm.

    But, there is a better way and here is the plan. We are organizing a write in campaign for Herman Cain, for the Jan 3rd caucuses in Iowa. This will make an opening for a possible return of Mr Cain to the campaign trail.

    I am going to run some ads in local newspapers. Here are two ways you can help: 

    Google Iowa newspapers and run a small display ad: Recommended text to be; Write in Herman Cain Jan 3rd, Herman pic from internet. In small type, have: paid for by friends of Herman Cain.

    Or: PayPal me at larry@hagedon.com, and I will pool our funds and run ads in Iowa papers. I will spend all money received on newspaper ads. I will take no compensation for myself. 

    • Hillfarmer says:

      A Cain campaign could be fun but he is no Ron Paul. He does not see a problem with the Federal Reserve System?!?!?! He supports new taxes and eventually wants to adopt the “fair tax”. If Karl Marx had thought of the fair tax he would have preferred it to the progressive income tax.

      But as I say it would be fun. Herman could say, “ I want to be the first black president in the United States.” When the news objects he could say, “The current president is red.”

      No, No. Do not waste money on anyone less then Ron Paul.

  12. Hal says:

    A LESS-THAN-FUNNY thing happened on the way to the forum, here today:

    While you political Master-minds are so diligently re-arranging deck-chairs on this American Republic political “Titanic”; the mechanics, down in the engine-room, are even MORE diligently at work making CERTAIN ALL EFFORT TO REPAIR OR REPLACE ANY DAMAGE SUSTAINED IN THIS “SHIP OF STATE” SO FAR; SHALL NOT TAKE PLACE!!!

    It appears, “Reality Seeker” your Amerika HAS TRULY ARRIVED!!!!
    GIVEN: Section 1031 of Senate Bill 1867 & Sec. 3034 in H.R. 1540 [National Defense Authorization Act] RESOLVED TO THE RESIDENT WHITE HOUSE SQUATTER’S SATISFACTION: We HAVE VITIATION OF Habeas Corpus; the Posse Comitatus Act; and Amendments V & VI: WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF UNIMPEDED, DHS / FEMA USA-PATRIOT ACT[S] I & II, ENFORCEMENT of RENDITION[S]-CONCENTRATION CAMP INTERNMENT[S] AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS – ASSUMING YOU ARE ONE: THAT IS YOU!!!

    IF, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, IS TO HAVE ANY APPLICABLE EFFECT WHATSOEVER; IT SHALL MOST LIKELY BE TO ENLIST US INTO THE ROLLS OF FIRST-SUBJECTS FOR DHS’s CONCOMITANT NDAA ENFORCEMENT INTERESTS!!!!

    • Reality Seeker says:

      Thanks for the well written tip, Hal; however, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has been writing about this monstrosity for weeks. Glenn Beck has been on this for days and Alex Jones was out in front of everybody— as usual. Both Jones and Drudge have been slamming away at this like two tennis players knocking a tennis ball back and fourth.

      Now, where was I? Oh yes, plotting the next libertarian revolution, i.e. “diligently [masterminding the best way to] re-arranging deck-chairs on this American Republic political “Titanic.”

      • Reality Seeker says:

        By the way, Hal. You’re right to be upset. The NDAA is one of the most dangerous Acts that I’ve seen in my lifetime.

        I’ll repeat what I said on Beck’s site yesterday: By law, the infamous Stasi had five days to provide some kind of incriminating evidence against those whom they picked up and detained. In amerika there is no time limit, no law, no Bill of Rights and no legal representation.

        amerika (lower case denotes how far America has descended into a super-police state) yes, amerika is on its way to surpassing the Stasi, the Frumentarii, the Brown Shirts, the KGB, the Oprichniki of Ivan the Terrible…et al.

        May I suggest that we rename Homeland Security, Fatherland Security; I mean, this would be a more accurate term, would it not? Let’s just burn the Constitution, and then tell Obama that we accept his dictatorship. Obama the Terrible, his neo-Oprichniki and all his czars can then run everything.

        • reunion says:

          lowercase…i like it. lol.

          never go toe to toe with the big hardcase….go lowercase, whisper, and carry a big serving spoon, dig out his foundation, watch him fall….

          • Hal says:

            … Yeah!!! … Perhaps we’ll all be together in the same FEMA camp and can just have a great ole time “lol” discussing how much better all of this could have been; if we’d just had more time for R.S.’s plan to develop — a “what if” I can totally agree with, albeit; What’s that old bromide; “The best laid plans of mice & man …”

            God Speed, His Holy Son’s RETURN to CANCEL this LEASE, and SQUARE-AWAY THIS DIABOLICAL CESSPOOL We’ve ALLOWED the Piled-higher-and-Deeper academicians to create for us ENJOY our retirement within!!!

            YoOle used helicopter driver, Me

  13. Rocketman says:

    If I had been on the program where Colter said that Romney was a conservative I would have turned and asked her “Ann, just how much money did the big bank CEO’s pay you to sell out the conservatives?” “I’m betting it was a lot more than 30 pieces of silver.”

  14. Tall Tom says:

    Short of a Ron Paul miracle…

    Thank you Robert. That is exactly what we so desparately NEED.

  15. Hope says:

    Newt 2012!! Contributed to his campaign today and it felt great. The country is screwed because of these arrogant establishment rhinos and dems . Gingrich did something right…he has the establishment against the wall and that gives ME a THRILL UP THE LEG!

    • reunion says:

      tho it was all good, here’s a summarizing snippet from bill bonner’s friday (12/16/11) piece on your fave amphibian (and witch’s cauldron ingredient):

      “Gingrich is their man. A letter in The Financial Times compared him to Churchill. He compares himself to de Gaulle. Both are correct, in our view. He is as humble as de Gaulle and at least as competent as Churchill. He is a cad who reportedly told his second wife that she was too old and too ugly to be a president’s wife. He is a scoundrel who took $1.8 million from zombie mortgage lender, Freddie Mac. He makes angels weep; the gods get their backs up. So cometh Newt Gingrich to the Republican race. If you’re dumb enough, you think he’s smart. If you’re corrupt enough, you think he is honest. If you compare him to the field of candidates, he doesn’t seem any more asinine than the rest.”

      “He is incompetent, scalawag and jackass all in one package. A man for all seasons.”

      title of the piece is “man for all seasons”. enjoy.

  16. Brent says:

    These are not Republican debates. These are 7 blind men arguing over what an elephant is.

    • reunion says:

      i like it…& behind each sightless pachyderm petter are throngs of not only sightless, but senseless in every other way, too, pachyderm petter petters……

      here’s saxe’s version:

      It was six men of Indostan
      (cont’d below)

  17. Popsatwork says:

    I love you Robert, but your lazy faire approach to politics (as demonstrated by your unwavering support for Ron Paul) is as intellectually flawed as the isolationist policies of the 20s & 30s. While I support Ron Paul’s domestic tenants, the extension of his beliefs into the realm of foreign policy have proven, predictable outcomes. I suggest, for your consideration, revisiting the causes of the events of the 30s and 40s, and the notion that the world is NOT a safer place today.

    • reunion says:

      happy to pop your bubble, popsatwork….

      ww1 was 1914-18
      spanish-american war was 1898
      “civil war” was 1861-65
      mexican-american war was 1846-48
      texas-mexican war was 1836
      war of 1812 was 1812-15
      barbary wars were 1801-05; 1815
      french-amercan naval war was 1798-1800
      whiskey rebellion was 1791-94
      shays rebellion was 1786-87

      before, and in between all these were numerous smaller actions.

      interventionism (not your bernays-ian, as in freud’s nephew, and as in light yellow, term, “isolationism”) was not whipped up in the “20′s -30′s”; that sauce boat been on the table, poured & slathered on everything, from the outset.

      and today’s, not to mention yesteryear’s, unsafe world, is the result. that iron lung that you live in is a self fulfilling prophecy machine. shuck it. breathe the fresh air.

      • reunion says:

        “The pronunciation in English is lay-say-fair. Its French origins date back to the late Renaissance. As the story goes, it was first used about the year 1680, a time when the nation-state was on the rise throughout Europe. The French finance minister, Jean-Baptiste Colbert, asked a merchant named M. Le Gendre what the state could do to promote industry.”

        “According to legend, the reply came: “Laissez-nous faire,” or “let it be.” This incident was reported in 1751 in the Journal Oeconomique by the free-trade champion Rene de Voyer, Marquis d’Argenson. The slogan was codified finally in the words of Vincent de Gournay: “Laissez-faire et laissez-passer, le monde va de lui même!” The loose translation: “Let it be and let goods pass; the world goes by itself.””

        the fuller treatment of this hewing to reality, truth, is written up, today (12/18), by jeffrey tucker, via his new association with bonner’s agora, laissez-faire books. for your googling pleasure, title is “what is laissez-faire?”

        work is good, pops. weasels in the work, aren’t. reading tucker’s summary will have you humming pop goes the weasel, in no time. enjoy.

  18. We should group such Republicans and Democrats together as Illibiral Liberals, and the semantics issue will be solved. The gender of some of the respondents is not clear from their aliases. Humans have genders. Fungi and computers are genderless.

  19. Revolution2012 says:

    Reality Seeker: I borrowed your ‘Fracking’ statement.

    We activist libertarians have had enough of the RINOs trampling and defecating all over our Constitutional/Natural rights. We know the end is near for the U.S. economy (1-10 yrs). We know that history has reached a tipping point; therefore, this is an opportunity of a lifetime. It’s time to win or go down swinging. And if that means fracking The RINO party so that some third party has a chance against the collectivists, then that’s what we intend to do.

    Actually, The RINO party (aka The Republican party) is about to frack itself, because 2012 is going to be a year like no other in terms of economic, geopolitical turmoil. The Grand Old Party has partied all the way to the edge of the cliff.

    Ron Paul may just very well be their last best hope to reform and turn back before they get shoved off. Will the RINO’s ever learn?

    Nah, I say it’s almost time for freedom lovers, who have the will to fight, to oil up their Muskets and drive the party animals right on over and down where they belong.

  20. Donkeys says:

    So it seems that many would rather protect the invasive species at the expense of the native. Hogs are extremely destructive and few seem to mind the shoot to kill hog rule. Keep some of the invaders and not others? The definition a double standard and has no basis in anything except the emotional attachment to the donkey. Clearly not one of these people would consider giving their land back to a native American. Just the same, I dont condone the shooting of these animals. Personally I would prefer they round them up alive.

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