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> <channel><title>The Illusion of RepresentationComments on:  - by</title> <atom:link href="http://robertringer.com/2010/07/04/the-illusion-of-representation-3/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://robertringer.com/2010/07/the-illusion-of-representation-3/</link> <description>In Support of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and Individual Freedom</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 21:45:46 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Kysi_rua1975@robertringer.com</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2010/07/the-illusion-of-representation-3/#comment-3380</link> <dc:creator>Kysi_rua1975@robertringer.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:23:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=1304#comment-3380</guid> <description>I loved your works so much Mr.Robert Ringers, hopefully those teach in College Campus could have interpreted clearly to students like us on many subjects like you...thumb up sir ..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved your works so much Mr.Robert Ringers, hopefully those teach in College Campus could have interpreted clearly to students like us on many subjects like you&#8230;thumb up sir ..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: donkeasler</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2010/07/the-illusion-of-representation-3/#comment-3379</link> <dc:creator>donkeasler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:19:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=1304#comment-3379</guid> <description>Thomas Jefferson also believed that each generation should be able to live under their own laws and that  constitutional conventions should be held every 19 years.  The laws that congress passed were not to last beyone the next convention date.  Maybe it&#039;s time we hold another convention re establish the limitations of our present document.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Jefferson also believed that each generation should be able to live under their own laws and that  constitutional conventions should be held every 19 years.  The laws that congress passed were not to last beyone the next convention date.  Maybe it&#8217;s time we hold another convention re establish the limitations of our present document.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: reunion</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2010/07/the-illusion-of-representation-3/#comment-3378</link> <dc:creator>reunion</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:52:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=1304#comment-3378</guid> <description>&lt;This position horrifies many people who believe that the Constitution was needed to protect “the people” by placing limits on the government.
“believe” being the key word – and therefore a fundamental problem to be dealt with FIRST. “The people” were just fine, thriving in fact, under the Articles of Confederation. It was not “the people” who conspired in the creation of the constitution, nor was it the representatives of “the people” who did so. Not only is Spooner correct in his analysis of the constitution’s lack of authority for posterity – it had no authority, was never authorized, in the first place. Here is a nice summary of the facts (as opposed to the gov school inculcated mythology)  http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance120.html
VALID contracts are spurned, overturned all the time, yet this invalid “contract” is venerated and worshipped; it’s a talisman, and like all such, utterly devoid of any actual power, but a useful tool in the hands OF the actual power (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…).
&lt; On the contrary, such aggression has become worse with each passing year...
Yes, it has become worse with each passing year – from its (the constitution) inception. Emphasizing the latest front-men looks at a few nearby trees and ignores the forest.
&lt; While conceding that representative government was a “humanizing breakthrough in human history,” Toffler went on to explain:
This “concession” is outlandish – in fact, it is not concession at all, but propagation and apologia. What is “humanistic” about all the death doled out in the wars of aggressive imperialistic/colonialistic expansion by these so-called representative governments?
&lt; Of course, purist libertarians would argue that people don’t need government at all, but that’s an impossible sell in these declining days of the American Empire.
What has “purism”, not to mention “selling” got to do with anything? Such a capitulation to “reality” does nothing but propagate the make-work system of illusion and guarantees no progress. For the snarky, condescending and agenda ridden “purist” substitute “truth-telling”, and then explain how to argue the tough “sale” of, say, heliocentrism justifies sticking with comfortable geocentrism….
&lt; Until a better form of government is invented (preferably one that makes it impossible to get elected to public office by promising to redistribute wealth and by granting favors to special interests)...
All the permutations of archy have already been invented and “tried” (imposed) multiple times over. All of them, save one (which has the prefix “an”, and which simply means no archy), are justifications/rationalizations for consolidated/centralized power, topcoated with a glossy mythological paintjob. Opting in to this is merely conservatism, which is merely a reflex – no cogito involved.
&lt; So, until we figure out a better system, your job and mine is to keep pushing back against tyranny. And from this day on into the foreseeable future, it’s going to take a bigger and bigger push just to hold the power mongers to a standoff. Make that a lot bigger push.
What’s that colloquial definition of insanity again? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? This cargo cultism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult ) does benefit a certain category of persons (including those of the chattering cheerleader class some intoning, some shouting that the game must go on… and on… and on until something better materializes, somehow, someday, over the rainbow…),but no way is this beneficial to “the people”.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;This position horrifies many people who believe that the Constitution was needed to protect “the people” by placing limits on the government.</p><p>“believe” being the key word – and therefore a fundamental problem to be dealt with FIRST. “The people” were just fine, thriving in fact, under the Articles of Confederation. It was not “the people” who conspired in the creation of the constitution, nor was it the representatives of “the people” who did so. Not only is Spooner correct in his analysis of the constitution’s lack of authority for posterity – it had no authority, was never authorized, in the first place. Here is a nice summary of the facts (as opposed to the gov school inculcated mythology) <a
href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance120.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance120.html</a><br
/> VALID contracts are spurned, overturned all the time, yet this invalid “contract” is venerated and worshipped; it’s a talisman, and like all such, utterly devoid of any actual power, but a useful tool in the hands OF the actual power (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…).</p><p>&lt; On the contrary, such aggression has become worse with each passing year&#8230;</p><p>Yes, it has become worse with each passing year – from its (the constitution) inception. Emphasizing the latest front-men looks at a few nearby trees and ignores the forest.</p><p>&lt; While conceding that representative government was a “humanizing breakthrough in human history,” Toffler went on to explain:</p><p>This “concession” is outlandish – in fact, it is not concession at all, but propagation and apologia. What is “humanistic” about all the death doled out in the wars of aggressive imperialistic/colonialistic expansion by these so-called representative governments?</p><p>&lt; Of course, purist libertarians would argue that people don’t need government at all, but that’s an impossible sell in these declining days of the American Empire.</p><p>What has “purism”, not to mention “selling” got to do with anything? Such a capitulation to “reality” does nothing but propagate the make-work system of illusion and guarantees no progress. For the snarky, condescending and agenda ridden “purist” substitute “truth-telling”, and then explain how to argue the tough “sale” of, say, heliocentrism justifies sticking with comfortable geocentrism….</p><p>&lt; Until a better form of government is invented (preferably one that makes it impossible to get elected to public office by promising to redistribute wealth and by granting favors to special interests)&#8230;</p><p>All the permutations of archy have already been invented and “tried” (imposed) multiple times over. All of them, save one (which has the prefix “an”, and which simply means no archy), are justifications/rationalizations for consolidated/centralized power, topcoated with a glossy mythological paintjob. Opting in to this is merely conservatism, which is merely a reflex – no cogito involved.</p><p>&lt; So, until we figure out a better system, your job and mine is to keep pushing back against tyranny. And from this day on into the foreseeable future, it’s going to take a bigger and bigger push just to hold the power mongers to a standoff. Make that a lot bigger push.</p><p>What’s that colloquial definition of insanity again? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? This cargo cultism (<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult</a> ) does benefit a certain category of persons (including those of the chattering cheerleader class some intoning, some shouting that the game must go on… and on… and on until something better materializes, somehow, someday, over the rainbow…),but no way is this beneficial to “the people”.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bigT</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2010/07/the-illusion-of-representation-3/#comment-3377</link> <dc:creator>bigT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=1304#comment-3377</guid> <description>Great article series Mr.Ringer, interesting conjectures. Ahh I see the type is still a faded color oh well. The founding Fathers of America probably in hindsight would have tweaked a few things in the constitution like the establishment clause for one. A stronger and more clearly delineated clause would have discouraged the ridiculous and impossible separation of church and state which would have led to an improvement in America&#039;s overall well-being. As for the Founders passing on rebellion against King George III, would this mean the U.S. would have been just like Canada?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article series Mr.Ringer, interesting conjectures. Ahh I see the type is still a faded color oh well. The founding Fathers of America probably in hindsight would have tweaked a few things in the constitution like the establishment clause for one. A stronger and more clearly delineated clause would have discouraged the ridiculous and impossible separation of church and state which would have led to an improvement in America&#8217;s overall well-being. As for the Founders passing on rebellion against King George III, would this mean the U.S. would have been just like Canada?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
