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> <channel><title>Swinging at LeavesComments on:  - by</title> <atom:link href="http://robertringer.com/2009/01/24/swinging-at-leaves/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/</link> <description>In Support of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and Individual Freedom</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:09:48 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: FIBONACCI</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2243</link> <dc:creator>FIBONACCI</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:34:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2243</guid> <description>Can humanity ever awaken from its infatuation with socialism? Perhaps if there are more libertarians in the media who could compete against the leftist drivel churned out by Marxist propaganda machines, then maybe the lies socialism is propagating could at least be minimized or reduced.
Perhaps when that happens, we will be able to field a libertarian to run for presidential candidate but till then, every libertarian must struggle against the rising tide of collectivism and statism in their midst.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can humanity ever awaken from its infatuation with socialism? Perhaps if there are more libertarians in the media who could compete against the leftist drivel churned out by Marxist propaganda machines, then maybe the lies socialism is propagating could at least be minimized or reduced.</p><p>Perhaps when that happens, we will be able to field a libertarian to run for presidential candidate but till then, every libertarian must struggle against the rising tide of collectivism and statism in their midst.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rmeyer</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2242</link> <dc:creator>rmeyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:11:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2242</guid> <description>Reality Seeker
You certainly have a way with words. “Greased lightning.” You actually had me visualizing that unique display of light. In fact your article is sprinkled with colorful phrases and ignited with passages of descriptive wisdom.
Socialists and other big government advocates swing wildly at leaves, scattering them in all directions. It seems the winds of unforeseen change eventually blow them into a rotting pile of death—a pile of death that these liberty violators attempt to scatter once again without much success. Is it any wonder that the stench of decay permeates the atmosphere?
By the way, I advise anyone desiring to put pizzazz into his or her writing to read and study your article.
Robert A. Meyer</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reality Seeker</p><p>You certainly have a way with words. “Greased lightning.” You actually had me visualizing that unique display of light. In fact your article is sprinkled with colorful phrases and ignited with passages of descriptive wisdom.</p><p>Socialists and other big government advocates swing wildly at leaves, scattering them in all directions. It seems the winds of unforeseen change eventually blow them into a rotting pile of death—a pile of death that these liberty violators attempt to scatter once again without much success. Is it any wonder that the stench of decay permeates the atmosphere?</p><p>By the way, I advise anyone desiring to put pizzazz into his or her writing to read and study your article.</p><p>Robert A. Meyer</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Reality seeker</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2241</link> <dc:creator>Reality seeker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2241</guid> <description>I enjoyed reading Imperator03&#039;s intellectual points and counter points.
F.A. Hayek very thoughtfully qualified his writings with the terms &quot;possible, probable, and necessary.&quot; Understanding the distinction between these self-appointed terms is very important when reading and interpreting his brilliant work. My personal interpretation is that Friedrich Hayek may have thought it &quot;probable&quot; that Western Civilization, as he knew it, would collapse in his lifetime; however, he did not think that this was [necessary] i.e. an absolute certainty that Western Civilization would collapse in his lifetime. Throughout his writings he continually acknowledged unknown variables, such as technology along with the unpredictable will of the people, and how that could change any of his extrapolated outcomes. Time does not permit listing all the things that make Hayek&#039;s work great.  Both his implied and direct acknowledgement that the future is not completely known by any man or woman, including himself, are counted among his fine attributes as a man and an author.
Most of the time we, as humans, can only assign what is possible or probable. Less often can we say what is going to be certain or necessary.
In my opinion, &quot;the old Chinese story of the farmer and his horse&quot; that libertarian speaks about in his comments perfectly illustrates the difficulty one faces in making predictions about the future.
I will stick my neck out and make this educated guess: if you are under the age of forty, no, make that 50, I think it&#039;s safe to say that the chance of western civilization collapsing in your lifetime is more than possible; it&#039;s probable, but not necessary. If certain conditions are met, the world can continue to &quot;muddle through.&quot; F.A Hayek spoke of the various conditions in his book &quot; The Road To Serfdom. I highly recommend this book to anyone who loves to read, as I do, the thoughts of a great mind.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading Imperator03&#8242;s intellectual points and counter points.</p><p>F.A. Hayek very thoughtfully qualified his writings with the terms &#8220;possible, probable, and necessary.&#8221; Understanding the distinction between these self-appointed terms is very important when reading and interpreting his brilliant work. My personal interpretation is that Friedrich Hayek may have thought it &#8220;probable&#8221; that Western Civilization, as he knew it, would collapse in his lifetime; however, he did not think that this was [necessary] i.e. an absolute certainty that Western Civilization would collapse in his lifetime. Throughout his writings he continually acknowledged unknown variables, such as technology along with the unpredictable will of the people, and how that could change any of his extrapolated outcomes. Time does not permit listing all the things that make Hayek&#8217;s work great.  Both his implied and direct acknowledgement that the future is not completely known by any man or woman, including himself, are counted among his fine attributes as a man and an author.</p><p>Most of the time we, as humans, can only assign what is possible or probable. Less often can we say what is going to be certain or necessary.<br
/> In my opinion, &#8220;the old Chinese story of the farmer and his horse&#8221; that libertarian speaks about in his comments perfectly illustrates the difficulty one faces in making predictions about the future.</p><p>I will stick my neck out and make this educated guess: if you are under the age of forty, no, make that 50, I think it&#8217;s safe to say that the chance of western civilization collapsing in your lifetime is more than possible; it&#8217;s probable, but not necessary. If certain conditions are met, the world can continue to &#8220;muddle through.&#8221; F.A Hayek spoke of the various conditions in his book &#8221; The Road To Serfdom. I highly recommend this book to anyone who loves to read, as I do, the thoughts of a great mind.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: libertarian</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2240</link> <dc:creator>libertarian</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:18:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2240</guid> <description>What I do like is that there have been some gross human rights violations that are being addressed.  Do I believe he understood them? No.  I believe that not too many people anymore understand that the individual is the smallest entity that needs consideration--and that the more creative the individual, the more they should be allowed to function freely--so long as they harm no one.  However, I am also reminded of the old Chinese story of the farmer and his horse.  It goes like this:  A farmer lost his horse.  The neighbors came to empathize.  They told him that it was a tragedy.  He said &quot;We&#039;ll see.&quot; The horse shows up with a herd a week later and the neighbors say &quot;wonderful!  lucky you!&quot; and the farmer says &quot;we&#039;ll see&quot;  then the son gets up on one of the wild horses and attempts to &quot;break&quot; it in and he gets thrown off the horse, breaking his leg.  The neighbors say &quot;How awful!&quot; the farmer says &quot;We&#039;ll see.&quot;  The Emperor declares a conscription but the son is passed over because his leg is broken.  The neighbors say &quot;How lucky!&quot; the farmer says, &quot;We&#039;ll see.&quot;
Am I silly enough to think that no. 44 is more interested is anything other than getting himself re-elected?  No.  But I think that he appears to be a thoughtful man in some ways.  I don&#039;t plan to join his workgroups. I don&#039;t want to see what they might evolve into.  However, I do see that a lot of people are becoming more active in their neighborhoods because of all that  no 44 stands for.  I see that people are acting a little kinder to each other.  It is a start.  Where it will lead, I don&#039;t know.  but the world could use a little kindness right now on a global scale.  I am also aware that war is not much of a kindness to anyone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I do like is that there have been some gross human rights violations that are being addressed.  Do I believe he understood them? No.  I believe that not too many people anymore understand that the individual is the smallest entity that needs consideration&#8211;and that the more creative the individual, the more they should be allowed to function freely&#8211;so long as they harm no one.  However, I am also reminded of the old Chinese story of the farmer and his horse.  It goes like this:  A farmer lost his horse.  The neighbors came to empathize.  They told him that it was a tragedy.  He said &#8220;We&#8217;ll see.&#8221; The horse shows up with a herd a week later and the neighbors say &#8220;wonderful!  lucky you!&#8221; and the farmer says &#8220;we&#8217;ll see&#8221;  then the son gets up on one of the wild horses and attempts to &#8220;break&#8221; it in and he gets thrown off the horse, breaking his leg.  The neighbors say &#8220;How awful!&#8221; the farmer says &#8220;We&#8217;ll see.&#8221;  The Emperor declares a conscription but the son is passed over because his leg is broken.  The neighbors say &#8220;How lucky!&#8221; the farmer says, &#8220;We&#8217;ll see.&#8221;<br
/> Am I silly enough to think that no. 44 is more interested is anything other than getting himself re-elected?  No.  But I think that he appears to be a thoughtful man in some ways.  I don&#8217;t plan to join his workgroups. I don&#8217;t want to see what they might evolve into.  However, I do see that a lot of people are becoming more active in their neighborhoods because of all that  no 44 stands for.  I see that people are acting a little kinder to each other.  It is a start.  Where it will lead, I don&#8217;t know.  but the world could use a little kindness right now on a global scale.  I am also aware that war is not much of a kindness to anyone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imperator03</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2239</link> <dc:creator>Imperator03</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:25:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2239</guid> <description>There is a bit of a silver lining in the clouds of the gathering storm.  Statists have been changing the rules over a time period spanning generations.  However the process seems to be accelerating.  The bad news is more statism.  The good news is that those in power can no longer count on the forgetfulness of the masses in regards to the unintended consequences of the elite.
Besides surprising things sometimes happen.  F.A. Hayek was sure that the US would, using technology, become a totalitarian regime within his lifetime.  He even wrote a book about it:  The Constitution of Liberty.  Oddly enough, ARPANET was begun in 1969, nine years after Hayek published his book.  The successor of the ARPANET, the Internet, is quite possibly the best tool around for ensuring free speech around the world.
That&#039;s what the statists fear the most.  Unable to control the flow of information, they cannot exert social control.  That failure was one of the main reasons the Berlin Wall came down and could also explain why our intelligence agencies failed to see it coming.  After all they were looking at military might and espionage attempts, they weren&#039;t paying attention to the people.
It will be interesting to see what, if any, controls on information control are attempted in this administration.  One of the bellwether signs will be the &quot;fairness doctrine&quot; applied to radio talk shows.  Those shows are overwhelmingly conservative, something that must stick in the craw of socialists everywhere.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a bit of a silver lining in the clouds of the gathering storm.  Statists have been changing the rules over a time period spanning generations.  However the process seems to be accelerating.  The bad news is more statism.  The good news is that those in power can no longer count on the forgetfulness of the masses in regards to the unintended consequences of the elite.</p><p>Besides surprising things sometimes happen.  F.A. Hayek was sure that the US would, using technology, become a totalitarian regime within his lifetime.  He even wrote a book about it:  The Constitution of Liberty.  Oddly enough, ARPANET was begun in 1969, nine years after Hayek published his book.  The successor of the ARPANET, the Internet, is quite possibly the best tool around for ensuring free speech around the world.</p><p>That&#8217;s what the statists fear the most.  Unable to control the flow of information, they cannot exert social control.  That failure was one of the main reasons the Berlin Wall came down and could also explain why our intelligence agencies failed to see it coming.  After all they were looking at military might and espionage attempts, they weren&#8217;t paying attention to the people.</p><p>It will be interesting to see what, if any, controls on information control are attempted in this administration.  One of the bellwether signs will be the &#8220;fairness doctrine&#8221; applied to radio talk shows.  Those shows are overwhelmingly conservative, something that must stick in the craw of socialists everywhere.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BigD</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2238</link> <dc:creator>BigD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:36:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2238</guid> <description>&quot;In my opinion, the entire system will probably fail before real change can be established. And just what does one look for as a sign of the imminent failure of our government? In a word, hyperinflation — a totally out-of-control hyperinflation that destroys the almighty dollar.&quot;
Hmm, should be quite a show when the leeches lose their host and are suddenly responsible for their own welfare.  No more affirmative action, no more welfare, no more Social Security, no more medicare, no more freebies.  You either make yourself valuable and trade it for an equal value or you starve.
I wonder how many people will be able to make the change.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my opinion, the entire system will probably fail before real change can be established. And just what does one look for as a sign of the imminent failure of our government? In a word, hyperinflation — a totally out-of-control hyperinflation that destroys the almighty dollar.&#8221;</p><p>Hmm, should be quite a show when the leeches lose their host and are suddenly responsible for their own welfare.  No more affirmative action, no more welfare, no more Social Security, no more medicare, no more freebies.  You either make yourself valuable and trade it for an equal value or you starve.</p><p>I wonder how many people will be able to make the change.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DJL</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2237</link> <dc:creator>DJL</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2237</guid> <description>I guess it could now be said that the USA is an Obama-nation??!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it could now be said that the USA is an Obama-nation??!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the StrawMan</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2009/01/swinging-at-leaves/#comment-2236</link> <dc:creator>the StrawMan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:31:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=381#comment-2236</guid> <description>Well said, Guy!  You&#039;ve made it both concise and correct.  One point:  Much of Carter&#039;s failure will be attrubuted to his &quot;starry-eyed evangelical Christian approach&quot; to everything...while Obama surely won&#039;t bear the &quot;burden&quot; of such a strong belief system!  All it really means is that socialism, no matter how it is disguised or obfuscated, remains the same insidious, creeping plague it has always been.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Guy!  You&#8217;ve made it both concise and correct.  One point:  Much of Carter&#8217;s failure will be attrubuted to his &#8220;starry-eyed evangelical Christian approach&#8221; to everything&#8230;while Obama surely won&#8217;t bear the &#8220;burden&#8221; of such a strong belief system!  All it really means is that socialism, no matter how it is disguised or obfuscated, remains the same insidious, creeping plague it has always been.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
