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Can Inflation and Deflation Coexist?, Part II

By Robert Ringer - Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Could we actually be headed toward a massive deflation — perhaps a deflationary depression? To me, the bottom line is that the political buffoons in D.C. have things so screwed up that no one can predict with certainty exactly how our economic debacle is going to play out.

The only thing we can be certain of is that virtually everything the government does will make things worse. Regardless of whether it’s “jobs programs,” “rescue packages,” or any of a myriad of other anti-free-market measures government loves to impose, its spending must be paid for in one of three ways: printing, borrowing, or taxing — and all three are bad for the economy.

Leo the Centimillionaire is right when he points out that we are in a deflationary period right now. But my guess is that once the Obama “change we can believe in” crowd starts implementing its massive New Deal II programs, a rapid increase in inflation cannot be far behind.

Lately, however, I’ve begun to ponder an unthinkable scenario: inflation and deflation at the same time! In such a scenario, housing and oil prices, for example, might continue to drop, while the cost of food and other essentials might continue to rise. It would be a chaotic and confusing way of life for all of us … to say the least. Perhaps this is what the wild swings in the stock market have been signaling. The market seems to be telling us that it can’t make up its mind between inflation and deflation.

In any event, Leo is also right when he says that no one can be certain how long it will be before a panicked U.S. government floods the world with its fiat currency in an effort to “fight deflation.” But keep in mind that Leo’s point of view has its roots in what he perceives to be the financial realities of our economy.

Some economists, in what seems like a desperate attempt to justify government interference in the marketplace, argue that false prosperity is better than risking a depression. (The polite phrase is “severe recession.”) They could not be more wrong. A depression is an adjustment period in the supply and demand cycle that forces people and businesses to become more efficient.

It’s a “reprimand” for being naughty — for treating themselves to the fantasy that prosperity can be created without work. The more irresponsible their actions, the worse the reprimand — in the form of a recession or depression. Just as it is in the long term best interest of children to be taught a lesson by getting an occasional spanking for misbehaving, so it is with adults who have been financially irresponsible.

Not everything that is in our long-term best interest feels good, but, long term, a deflationary depression is a healthy process — a financial catharsis. Prices fall to where merchandise can be sold, overvalued investments drop to realistic plateaus, and, when everything reaches its natural level once more, the market is again healthy.

The question is, what politician has the courage to spank 300 million people? Certainly not one that I’ve seen running for office recently (with the possible exception of Ron Paul).

Unlike Leo, however, my guess as to how things will play out is rooted more in human nature than in economics. In other words, mine is a sociological perspective. The reason I believe that the printing presses will ultimately win out is that (1) people will never accept a permanent lower standard of living and (2) politicians are both gutless and shameless (and, in their defense, often do not even understand the consequences of their actions).

As all class warfare preachers know, taxing the rich and borrowing both have their limitations. But printing money requires only that the government be able to purchase paper and ink — and pay its electric bill.

And the nice thing about inflation of the money supply is that it’s an invisible tax. As prices rise, people cannot keep pace, and their standard of living drops. Then, to add insult to injury, the government points its soiled finger at “corporate greed,” “the rich,” and special-interest groups.

But, make no mistake about it, government is the only entity that has the power to print color and words on a piece of paper and proclaim it to be “legal tender.” And that is the primary cause of rising prices.

So, yes, I still believe that in the end — and I do mean the end — government will try to print its way out of the economic maelstrom it has created. In the meantime, you’re going to see a lot of industries in big trouble … and in Part III of this article, I’ll give you some examples of which industries those might be.

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10 Responses to “Can Inflation and Deflation Coexist?, Part II”

  1. BigD says:

    A lof of my conservative friens share your opinion about people not wanting to accept a lower standard of living (why else would they not demand the government fix the economy before blowing money on things like universal health care).

    They’re saying that, unlike the people of the first Great Depression, people nowadays have lack the values to weather it through. More than likely, instead of seeing people working their butts off at what they can find, we’re going to see people picketing the fences of the politicians, demanding more free hand-outs. And of course, since Big Brother’s #1 concern is power, they’re going to continue to waste valuable time and money trying to milk as many votes as they can.

    Oh, and if you need some humor this morning, check out what Bush has recently said:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081216215816.8g97981o&show_article=1

  2. gpf says:

    Robert,
    I have also wondered if inflation and deflation could co-exist. And I suspect that the answer is yes. I would guess that the value of our homes and our labor will continue to decline; our homes because people are overextended, and our labor because others around the world are willing to do more for less, and will be for quite some time yet.

    However, I think that the things that we need to live – food, energy, material goods – will rise in price as more people around the world compete for them and the surplus of dollars around the world becomes less and less desired by others.

    The USA has been living more on its reputation than on its production [if you don't count financial "services"] for quite a while now, which is kind of like taking equity out of our homes for day-to-day expenses. As long as the value continues to rise, we could get away with it, but when the price starts to drop, things go bad in a hurry. And the bottom is likely to be farther down than anyone would guess when times are good.

    You said that “people will never accept a permanent lower standard of living”. I disagree. I think we have no possibility of maintaining our prior standard of living. However, I am afraid that the American people will react to this forced reduction in our standard of living by electing demagogues and tyrants who will use our frustration to take those freedoms that we still have.

    I am currently reading a history of the Great Depression [The Forgotten Man, by Amity Shlaes], and it is scary to realize how many people at that time thought that Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin were examples that we needed to follow.

    Gordon

  3. kenstremsky says:

    People might want to support an Amendment to the United States Constitution that allows State governments to “coin Money” – make gold coins and silver coins. This might increase the odds that more gold and silver will be found and may reduce the amount of harm caused by the Federal Government.

    Article 1, Section 10 of the United States Constitution

    “No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility”

    If the federal government is serious about growing the economy and creating jobs, it should stop taxing interest from savings accounts, dividends, capital gains, and estates.

    Congress should eliminate the Federal Reserve or veto many of its decisions.

    Congress should consider backing our currency with gold, silver, and other commodities.

    Sincerely,

    Ken Stremsky

  4. rmeyer says:

    Response to Robert Ringer

    You are absolutely right.

    The classical definition of inflation is an increase in the quantity of money. Deflation is a decrease in the quantity of money. The establishment tries to define these by their consequences–rising or falling prices. This way they can divert blame from the real culprits of our economic crisis–the Federal Reserve System and greedy, ignorant politicians to capitalists, short-sellers, consumers spending too much or too little, short-sellers, negative foreign influences, etc.

    You are correct in assuming we could experience price inflation and price deflation at the same time. An increase or decrease in the quantity of money effects the prices of goods and services differently. Some prices rise–others decline. The individuals who receive the inflationary money first benefit over those who receive it later. Of course deflation is pure justice because those very same people who benefited from inflation are the first ones penalized by deflation.

  5. Response to gpf:

    You misunderstood me. When I said that most people won’t accept a lower standard of living, I meant that that’s the reason government will almost certainly go to the printing presses.

    And if that leads to runaway inflation, I’m afraid you will be right about a demagogue rising to power. I’ve been warning of this possibility for many years. And, yes, during the Great Depression there were cries from many quarters for a Mussolini to take charge and save the U.S.

  6. Response to BigD:

    You have summarized the problem in a very few words. Everyone should memorize what you’ve said.

  7. Phil says:

    It is simply uncanny how accurate Robert was in the late 1970s and 1980s re his predicion regarding how things would play out. As one who holds a Ph.D. in sociology, I hereby award him an honorary doctorate and crown him one of only two living conservative/libertarian sociologists in the United States today (with me being the other one). He is unlikely to find a job in traditional academia, however (or want to, for that matter).

    On a more serious note, I would love to read some columns that contain more specific advice on how one might cope. What about areas of the country, relocation, etc.? His advice re firearms is well taken. Any updated ideas on growing one’s own food, etc.? Just this sort of thing. Sounds like he is doing this in some respects already, and of course there are his earlier books.

    At any rate, another great column from a great guy. Thanks for sharing your time.

  8. Reality seeker says:

    The U.S. dollar is the reserve currency of the world, which is one reason why it has held up, and will continue to hold up, even though the dollar itself has no intrinsic value. The Federal Reserve will continue to flood the globe with paper money. Yes, the Federal Reserve will continue to print (inflate) the U.S. dollar to record levels; however, don’t be to quick to assume that this act, in and of itself, will cause prices of goods and/or services to rise proportionately.

    The U.S. dollar has been globalized; and remember, although the dollar is not backed by gold, it is backed by lead—lead from the barrel of government guns. And lead from the barrel of a gun is more valuable, from a practical standpoint, than any precious metal. The fact that the dollar is backed by the force of a superpower; that fact alone, gives the dollar value.

    Remember, millions of people are still willing to work a twelve hour day for just one dollar. Millions of rent-a-slaves across the world support the value of the dollar which is better than the support of gold. Rent-a-slaves have little choice regarding their lot in life and globalization of the slave trade causes lower prices—even if the Federal Reserve counterfeits trillions of dollars.

    We live in a brave new world, so don’t underestimate the power that backs up the dollar or the ignorance of those who don’t understand how they’re being raped with paper money. Moreover, don’t underestimate the U.S. government’s ability to muddle through. Many intelligent people have underestimated America’s ability to muddle through, myself included, and have been proven wrong in their viewpoint. All my life I’ve witnessed this one or that one predicting the end of the system only to be shocked at just how resilient the corrupt system really is. Having said that, I personally believe America has charted an unsustainable course. I also believe 2009 will be a very painful, disappointing, and an unhappy year for millions of Americans; and 2009 will be a year of outright starvation for many in the third world who used to have a job manufacturing items for Americans.

    Will the situation that develops in 2009 lead to a total collapse of the corrupt system by reason of deflation and/or inflation? Time will tell, but I don’t believe so. The world will probably muddle through once again, if not, than it’s up to you, and I, to “hope for the best, expect the worst, and be prepared to deal with whatever happens.” If we’re caught off guard by an economic catastrophe, than we only have ourselves to blame.

    By the way, I have read all of Mr. Ringer’s books and they’ve contributed greatly to my perspective of human nature, economics, and opinion. Thank you very, very much Mr. Ringer for all the years of insightful and valuable analysis that you’ve provided to the public.

  9. Pitch says:

    Pitch sez:
    Robert:

    I hate to sound condescending; however I think that your recent discussions in all areas are somewhat moot, including this one. Are such subjects as Inflation-Stagflation-Depression even worthy of a wasted moment’s thought when the womb we each find ourselves so tightly bound and entrapped is so chaotic and hysterical? You have time after time skirted around the truly most important main issues that every living creature on our beautiful small revolving little rock are now confronted. A confrontation if you well, that has been ongoing for quite some time. You have played with this topic somewhat with your recent thoughts about the tragic acts of violence against the many innocent victims that were recently perpetrated in India and somewhat in your topic concerning “Reality Therapy.” Yes, a Reality Check should be a prerequisite for each thinking person on a daily basis and here I refer not to just each person’s own reality, but the sum of the total as well. Perhaps it’s finally time to “FULLY” open wide the door, no, BREAK THE DOOR COMPLETELY DOWN and openly discuss and dissect the most controversial, divisive and important issue that mankind has ever been confronted with! Your controversial discussion reference abortion equals murder pales in comparison. After all, abortion is an issue that merely involves the murder of one innocent life.
    It is my opinion that it is long past due for a serious discussion; no, a total dissection if you well, on whether any “MUSLIM” can be a positive-productive citizen of the world order? It is my contention that World War 3 has long been underway ever since we and other societies have made the largest transfer of wealth ever witnessed to quell our ongoing insatiable appetite for more oil. A staggering transfer of wealth made payable to “Intellectual-Barbarians!” At first, one might consider this statement to be an oxymoron, however upon closer scrutiny one can easily see the “Reality” we are each confronted with as society after society is eaten alive with this voracious uncivilized form of cancer. By definition Barbarians are person(s) that are extremely aggressive, violent with no interest in culture and their behavior is considered uncivilized. Does this description sound like someone you have seen or heard about in the news over the past many years, or perhaps might be your next door neighbor, waiting, ever so patiently waiting for the next opportunity to move their pawn to an ever increasing advantage? Do Muslims fall within these parameters? On the other hand, the word Intellectual implies and has to do with a highly developed ability to think and understand in combination with wide knowledge. Do Muslims fall within these parameters? Do many Muslims now have at their disposal vast amounts of capital with which to use to purchase-develop ever more weapons of mass destruction and install software in the minds of their young that is so horrific that most other citizens of the world cannot even come close to accepting this reality? YET> So, think about the following formula today and everyday as if your very life and survival depended on it: Intelligence, Barbarism, Money and a religion that is in NO WAY compatible with a civilized life style. I ask once again, are understanding the ins and outs of Inflation, Depression, Hyperinflation or the ramifications of bailing out our pampered auto workers remotely close to absorbing and accepting the REALITY of the above formula? I think the time for denial has long come and gone Robert and it is now the duty of every citizen of goodwill to help eradicate this insidious form of cancer that is steadily devouring the civilized world! It is my sincere hope that there are many more likeminded civilized humans that are also ready to stand and be counted. Time is of the essence.

  10. Response to Reality seeker:

    Great insights. You make some excellent points. You certainly are right about the lead that comes from the barrel of government guns. When confronted with that reality, Cool Hand Luke came up with the same answer most of us will echo when he said simply, “Yes, boss.”

    As to the country and the world muddling through, I hope you’re right. But there’s this annoying idea I have that actions always have consequences, and I don’t believe that even government guns are powerful enough to defy the laws of nature. Of course, they are powerful enough to keep us all in line while politicians go about reshuffling the deck in a myriad of fraudulent ways.

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