Karma and Compound Interest, Part IIComments on: - by http://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/ In Support of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and Individual Freedom Thu, 17 May 2012 03:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cragamondohttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2162 cragamondo Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:38:50 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2162 “Time wounds all heels” - Robert Heinlein “Time wounds all heels”
- Robert Heinlein

]]> By: mac511998http://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2161 mac511998 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:55:17 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2161 Dear Robert, Many years ago(20) I found myself on the losing end of a deal ( cheated.) A private citizen and a goverment bureacrat lied and falsified documents to take advantage of a sitution that benefited them and harmed me. In the last 3 months both have been fired from their jobs. One made the local newpaper, the other made great industry talk. I guess what goes around does come around. Thanks, Mac511998 Dear Robert, Many years ago(20) I found myself on the losing end of a deal ( cheated.) A private citizen and a goverment bureacrat lied and falsified documents to take advantage of a sitution that benefited them and harmed me. In the last 3 months both have been fired from their jobs. One made the local newpaper, the other made great industry talk. I guess what goes around does come around. Thanks, Mac511998

]]> By: zalahahttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2160 zalaha Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:47:13 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2160 I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. Eccl. 9:11 For something to be true, it must be true for all people, in all places, at all times. What is true for Mr. Tatum must also be true for the starving Ethiopian woman clutching her dead infant in her arms. Your idea proposes that not only is the woman “reaping what she sowed” but also the infant. And as I sit in my warm Californian home, with my big screen TV and my hot cup of coffee, I can smugly surmise, “I am reaping the blessings of all the good I have sown.” Karma is an evil concept that justifies the suffering of the poor and the opulence of the rich. It kills compassion. The reality is that there are many laws working in our lives, there are economic laws, meteorological laws, relational laws, physiological laws, etc. These universal laws, which we must negotiate every moment of our lives, make life a dangerous, and often unpredictable place that ends in death. When we blame the dead for dying, the sick for suffering, the poor for their poverty, we perpetuate a lie. courtesy: Rev. Michael S. Conway I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. Eccl. 9:11
For something to be true, it must be true for all people, in all places, at all times. What is true for Mr. Tatum must also be true for the starving Ethiopian woman clutching her dead infant in her arms. Your idea proposes that not only is the woman “reaping what she sowed” but also the infant. And as I sit in my warm Californian home, with my big screen TV and my hot cup of coffee, I can smugly surmise, “I am reaping the blessings of all the good I have sown.”
Karma is an evil concept that justifies the suffering of the poor and the opulence of the rich. It kills compassion. The reality is that there are many laws working in our lives, there are economic laws, meteorological laws, relational laws, physiological laws, etc. These universal laws, which we must negotiate every moment of our lives, make life a dangerous, and often unpredictable place that ends in death. When we blame the dead for dying, the sick for suffering, the poor for their poverty, we perpetuate a lie.
courtesy: Rev. Michael S. Conway

]]> By: rmeyerhttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2159 rmeyer Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:48:11 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2159 Response to Pitch Thanks for the compliment. You are correct in stating that good or bad karma is not a static issue. In fact, nothing is static in the sphere of human action. Change is the essence of life; regardless how much some people wish everything would remain the same. A single human action causes change – even if the change is miniscule. I compliment your ability to block all forms of mysticism from your thoughts. I’ve temporarily allowed some mysticism to reside in my mind. Fortunately, since I couldn’t integrate the mystic thoughts with the rest of the concepts I hold so dear, I expelled them. It humors me that mysticism always attempts to return with a facelift or a new wardrobe of clothes. I enjoyed your story and analysis of “The Trial Lawyer.” Are you sure when he reached his 90's and slowed down "Karma” didn’t finally capture him? Robert A. Meyer Response to Pitch

Thanks for the compliment. You are correct in stating that good or bad karma is not a static issue. In fact, nothing is static in the sphere of human action. Change is the essence of life; regardless how much some people wish everything would remain the same. A single human action causes change – even if the change is miniscule.

I compliment your ability to block all forms of mysticism from your thoughts. I’ve temporarily allowed some mysticism to reside in my mind. Fortunately, since I couldn’t integrate the mystic thoughts with the rest of the concepts I hold so dear, I expelled them. It humors me that mysticism always attempts to return with a facelift or a new wardrobe of clothes.

I enjoyed your story and analysis of “The Trial Lawyer.” Are you sure when he reached his 90′s and slowed down “Karma” didn’t finally capture him?

Robert A. Meyer

]]> By: BigDhttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2158 BigD Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:52:00 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2158 Before I begin, I want you to understand that what follows isn't a sob story. I'm living proof of bad things happening to good people, Mr. Ringer. When I was going through high school, my ultimate dream was to join the Marines. I used it to keep me going through the hard times in school, to keep me from going off on the people who teased me, and even used it to get through my home life. However, through being honest (as I had been told to be my whole life), I was turned down because of a medical condition I had had a few years back, one that my doctor had cleared me of. I tried two more times to join the military, once for the army and once for the National Guard (which had lowered its recruiting standards). Each time, it seemed like I was finally going to succeed, only to get turned down once again. So, four years later, here I am, still a civilian and forced to watch others succeed where I failed. I'll tell you the truth, it's not fun and I often have to fight not to feel overly depressed. I've somewhat gotten over it, but I still feel an occasional bitterness. I've somewhat pieced my life back together and I feel I'm doing pretty good compared to others (got my own apartment, money in the bank, a good job, and a long life ahead of me), though the next four years could change that, and I've settled into pursuing a career as a firefighter, a goal I feel I have a good chance at reaching. The main thing I believe has helped me are some of the theories you lay out in your book "Looking out for #1", mainly the theory "One in the sack is worth a hundred in the face." I thank you for writing the book, as it has given me a new view on life and allowed me to take its twists and turns a little more comfortably. Before I begin, I want you to understand that what follows isn’t a sob story.

I’m living proof of bad things happening to good people, Mr. Ringer.

When I was going through high school, my ultimate dream was to join the Marines. I used it to keep me going through the hard times in school, to keep me from going off on the people who teased me, and even used it to get through my home life.

However, through being honest (as I had been told to be my whole life), I was turned down because of a medical condition I had had a few years back, one that my doctor had cleared me of. I tried two more times to join the military, once for the army and once for the National Guard (which had lowered its recruiting standards). Each time, it seemed like I was finally going to succeed, only to get turned down once again.

So, four years later, here I am, still a civilian and forced to watch others succeed where I failed. I’ll tell you the truth, it’s not fun and I often have to fight not to feel overly depressed. I’ve somewhat gotten over it, but I still feel an occasional bitterness.

I’ve somewhat pieced my life back together and I feel I’m doing pretty good compared to others (got my own apartment, money in the bank, a good job, and a long life ahead of me), though the next four years could change that, and I’ve settled into pursuing a career as a firefighter, a goal I feel I have a good chance at reaching.

The main thing I believe has helped me are some of the theories you lay out in your book “Looking out for #1″, mainly the theory “One in the sack is worth a hundred in the face.” I thank you for writing the book, as it has given me a new view on life and allowed me to take its twists and turns a little more comfortably.

]]> By: Pitchhttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2157 Pitch Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:33:31 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2157 My goodness, may I compliment that rmeyer who certainly has some of the smoothest and positive KARMA I have ever encountered on any type Internet discussion. He writes with uncompromising clarity and intelligence on the same par as even Robert Ringer with many challenging and well thought out positions. However, it is my belief that so-called good or bad Karma is not a static issue, and each human being can display certain types of Karma at any given moment and this is based solely on one being responsible for and owning their very own thought processes. Positive or Negative! To believe otherwise is sheer folly! I have personally found that the more “Mysticism” of any and all forms I can block from my thoughts has always without fail offered up the most rewarding and positive life experiences and decisions based solely on the realities as one can best determine at any given moment without so much as ever rubbing my “Lucky” rabbits foot!!!!. As far as J. Cochran, I agree that he was merely acting in OJ’s best interest, just as he was paid handsomely to do so and this had not one thing to do with his untimely demise. It was just his time to move on and to dwell on it further is a total waste of ones most precious asset; TIME! If the truth be known I’m sure he never believed for one moment OJ was innocent. But after all, this is a MOOT point! However, one must never lose sight for one moment that JC was also acting in his own best interest also, as are all competent trial attorneys! JC loved the spotlight and was a world class actor and orator, but in the final analysis it’s all a sham in every court room anyway, at least where real and truthful facts are concerned. In almost every case the attorney that can twist, distort, bend and lie with the smoothest so-called Karma and jury appeal comes out the victor of such perverted and inverted battles! I happen to come from a long line of attorneys dating back well into the 1800’s. One of these individuals was in fact a very prominent criminal trial attorney and I recall very vividly as a youngster trying to study and figure this man out. One moment he would talk in what I perceived was in some form of a rational thought process and then the next moment he would turn the tables and talk upside down and suddenly black became white and vice versa. It would be many a long year later before I actually understood this man and those others that hang out a shingle with the words “criminal trial attorney” clearly visible for all to see. By the way, he lived will into his 90’s and only finally succumbed to the rigors of time and the inability for new bodily cell reproduction . In closing, I would suggest that it far superior to “live one’s life as if the whole world were watching” as RR has suggested elsewhere. After all, narrow Mystical beliefs of every kind can sting and taint everything that is sweet and then the denial and despair set in, taunting one’s hopes and dreams. No forgiveness just blame, find the guilty and feed them the shame! Pitch My goodness, may I compliment that rmeyer who certainly has some of the smoothest and positive KARMA I have ever encountered on any type Internet discussion. He writes with uncompromising clarity and intelligence on the same par as even Robert Ringer with many challenging and well thought out positions. However, it is my belief that so-called good or bad Karma is not a static issue, and each human being can display certain types of Karma at any given moment and this is based solely on one being responsible for and owning their very own thought processes. Positive or Negative! To believe otherwise is sheer folly! I have personally found that the more “Mysticism” of any and all forms I can block from my thoughts has always without fail offered up the most rewarding and positive life experiences and decisions based solely on the realities as one can best determine at any given moment without so much as ever rubbing my “Lucky” rabbits foot!!!!.
As far as J. Cochran, I agree that he was merely acting in OJ’s best interest, just as he was paid handsomely to do so and this had not one thing to do with his untimely demise. It was just his time to move on and to dwell on it further is a total waste of ones most precious asset; TIME! If the truth be known I’m sure he never believed for one moment OJ was innocent. But after all, this is a MOOT point! However, one must never lose sight for one moment that JC was also acting in his own best interest also, as are all competent trial attorneys! JC loved the spotlight and was a world class actor and orator, but in the final analysis it’s all a sham in every court room anyway, at least where real and truthful facts are concerned. In almost every case the attorney that can twist, distort, bend and lie with the smoothest so-called Karma and jury appeal comes out the victor of such perverted and inverted battles! I happen to come from a long line of attorneys dating back well into the 1800’s. One of these individuals was in fact a very prominent criminal trial attorney and I recall very vividly as a youngster trying to study and figure this man out. One moment he would talk in what I perceived was in some form of a rational thought process and then the next moment he would turn the tables and talk upside down and suddenly black became white and vice versa. It would be many a long year later before I actually understood this man and those others that hang out a shingle with the words “criminal trial attorney” clearly visible for all to see. By the way, he lived will into his 90’s and only finally succumbed to the rigors of time and the inability for new bodily cell reproduction .
In closing, I would suggest that it far superior to “live one’s life as if the whole world were watching” as RR has suggested elsewhere. After all, narrow Mystical beliefs of every kind can sting and taint everything that is sweet and then the denial and despair set in, taunting one’s hopes and dreams. No forgiveness just blame, find the guilty and feed them the shame!
Pitch

]]> By: joelbomanehttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2156 joelbomane Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:52:02 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2156 LOVE: I have come to the conclusion that LOVE will enable a man to acquire all the other qualities when all the rest without it would never be sufficient. Furthermore there is a way of really getting rid of our lower nature and that is by strengthening our higher nature. "Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value." Albert Einstein Brotherhood will require Self Esteem, Self Discipline, Tolerance, Courage, Lucidity, Enthusiasm...and thus LOVE! Who knows the Conscious Universal Power Source has a plan for men, and that plan might be E-volution... Cordialment FIAT LUX TEMPUS FUGIT Joel Bomane from Sunny Sudden France LOVE:

I have come to the conclusion that LOVE
will enable a man to acquire all the other
qualities when all the rest without it would
never be sufficient.

Furthermore there is a way of really getting rid of
our lower nature and that is by strengthening our higher nature.

“Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value.” Albert Einstein

Brotherhood will require Self Esteem, Self Discipline, Tolerance, Courage, Lucidity, Enthusiasm…and thus LOVE!

Who knows the Conscious Universal Power Source
has a plan for men, and that plan might be E-volution…

Cordialment

FIAT LUX

TEMPUS FUGIT

Joel Bomane from Sunny Sudden France

]]> By: Robert Ringerhttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2155 Robert Ringer Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:23:11 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2155 Response to rmeyer: Like you, I find it amazing how certain so many millions of people can be about the unknowable. Such certainty has surely made for some really great wars. As to Johnnie Cochran, I've taken a lot of heat over him. But the fact is that I never said he got what he deserved. I only pondered the possibility, but the reality is that neither I nor anyone else will ever know for certain. The truth of the matter is that, even though I truly believe Cochran knew O.J. was guilty, I kind of admired the guy. He was intelligent and, other than in the O.J. fiasco, quite reasonable and amiable. His passing and manner of death were actually quite sad. Response to rmeyer:

Like you, I find it amazing how certain so many millions of people can be about the unknowable. Such certainty has surely made for some really great wars.

As to Johnnie Cochran, I’ve taken a lot of heat over him. But the fact is that I never said he got what he deserved. I only pondered the possibility, but the reality is that neither I nor anyone else will ever know for certain.

The truth of the matter is that, even though I truly believe Cochran knew O.J. was guilty, I kind of admired the guy. He was intelligent and, other than in the O.J. fiasco, quite reasonable and amiable. His passing and manner of death were actually quite sad.

]]> By: rmeyerhttp://robertringer.com/2008/12/karma-and-compound-interest-part-ii/#comment-2154 rmeyer Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:53:04 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=313#comment-2154 Response to Robert Ringer I find it refreshing that you don’t possess firm answers to why God, the Universal Mind or whatever allows or causes good things to happen to bad people and bad things to happen to good people. Millions of people have been tortured and murdered because an individual or a group of individuals thought they definitely knew God’s purpose for mankind. I have meditated for years; arriving at insights that I believe are valid. However, since I lack scientific proof, my defense of these insights is rather weak. The theories of reincarnation, parallel lives or quantum physics offer explanations that many people accept as true. The law of karma operating in each individual’s continuous incarnations seems the most logical and just explanation. Still, who can say how an omnipotent mind or an impersonal force thinks and acts? It is beyond our comprehension. In closing you said “In the meantime, my best advice is to live your life as though you believe that karma is a reality.” If only enough people would follow this bit of timeless wisdom. P.S. As mentioned in several earlier blog posts, I think you are too critical of Johnny Cochran. Robert A. Meyer Response to Robert Ringer

I find it refreshing that you don’t possess firm answers to why God, the Universal Mind or whatever allows or causes good things to happen to bad people and bad things to happen to good people. Millions of people have been tortured and murdered because an individual or a group of individuals thought they definitely knew God’s purpose for mankind. I have meditated for years; arriving at insights that I believe are valid. However, since I lack scientific proof, my defense of these insights is rather weak.

The theories of reincarnation, parallel lives or quantum physics offer explanations that many people accept as true. The law of karma operating in each individual’s continuous incarnations seems the most logical and just explanation. Still, who can say how an omnipotent mind or an impersonal force thinks and acts? It is beyond our comprehension.

In closing you said “In the meantime, my best advice is to live your life as though you believe that karma is a reality.” If only enough people would follow this bit of timeless wisdom.

P.S. As mentioned in several earlier blog posts, I think you are too critical of Johnny Cochran.

Robert A. Meyer

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