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> <channel><title>Is It Too Late? Part VI &#8211; The Moral IssueComments on:  - by</title> <atom:link href="http://robertringer.com/2008/10/24/is-it-too-late/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/</link> <description>In Support of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and Individual Freedom</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:08:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: kellytim</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1918</link> <dc:creator>kellytim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:18:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1918</guid> <description>Josh C. wrote, &quot;Any solution that requires thought or sacrifice will be rejected by the masses.  All we can hope to accomplish is to prepare those who choose still to think.&quot;
While this is true, I am reminded that it does not take a majority of the masses to accomplish liberty for a nation. During the founding of this country, it was not the masses but, rather, a comparatively few who accomplished the job. There were traitors and Tories all around, loyal to the king, but the liberty-loving Americans who had taken the time to become truly educated were ready to sacrifice, and by their sacrifice, changed the world and established this great experiment in a government of the people, by the people, for the people. They even knew that the time would probably eventually come when this government would have to be overthrown and re-established, as the tendency of government is to grow out of proportion.
So rather than worry about the masses, let&#039;s each focus ourselves to doing the hard work of a Liberty Education - reading and discussing classics and learn to truly think, so that we, too, can take a stand for freedom in our arena.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh C. wrote, &#8220;Any solution that requires thought or sacrifice will be rejected by the masses.  All we can hope to accomplish is to prepare those who choose still to think.&#8221;</p><p>While this is true, I am reminded that it does not take a majority of the masses to accomplish liberty for a nation. During the founding of this country, it was not the masses but, rather, a comparatively few who accomplished the job. There were traitors and Tories all around, loyal to the king, but the liberty-loving Americans who had taken the time to become truly educated were ready to sacrifice, and by their sacrifice, changed the world and established this great experiment in a government of the people, by the people, for the people. They even knew that the time would probably eventually come when this government would have to be overthrown and re-established, as the tendency of government is to grow out of proportion.</p><p>So rather than worry about the masses, let&#8217;s each focus ourselves to doing the hard work of a Liberty Education &#8211; reading and discussing classics and learn to truly think, so that we, too, can take a stand for freedom in our arena.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: blumstein</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1917</link> <dc:creator>blumstein</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1917</guid> <description>&quot;By moral issue, I&#039;m talking about the broad acceptance of the absurd notion that if a person desires something, he has a moral right to it. Not one politician,... has dared to attack this outrageous premise.&quot;
Ron Paul has many times.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By moral issue, I&#8217;m talking about the broad acceptance of the absurd notion that if a person desires something, he has a moral right to it. Not one politician,&#8230; has dared to attack this outrageous premise.&#8221;</p><p>Ron Paul has many times.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sushitune</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1916</link> <dc:creator>sushitune</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:01:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1916</guid> <description>Your Majesty:
Your total disdain for human beings who see complex issues differently than you, such as Obama or McCain do, will not bring about resolution of key issues of our time.
Mr. Ringer, you are an intellect who has fallen in love with vitriolic cant. You love the sound of only your own voice.  You are right one hundred percent of the time,at least by your accounts.
But when I think of Obama, I see a man who does have ultra-liberal viewpoints - much like you adhere to Libertarian dogma - but I also see a man who can listen to varied viewpoints thoughtfully and admit when he is at fault in thought or deed.
You are the true pessimist because you think that seeing is believing.  The truth is that believing is seeing.  You can influence our next President, Barak Obama is his name, by voicing your concerns rather than nay saying everything you believe he stands for.
Your blog and the comments you publish are always one-sided in support of your viewpoint.  You are, Mr. Ringer, the sophist&#039;s sophist. You always take cogent thoughts and mangle them to your extreme viewpoint.
I read your articles because they do give clarity to issues.  They are the starting point for reasonable discussion and resolution.  But they are not the end all for how we must live and govern ourselves.
Richard Posner
Tokyo,Japan</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Majesty:</p><p>Your total disdain for human beings who see complex issues differently than you, such as Obama or McCain do, will not bring about resolution of key issues of our time.</p><p>Mr. Ringer, you are an intellect who has fallen in love with vitriolic cant. You love the sound of only your own voice.  You are right one hundred percent of the time,at least by your accounts.</p><p>But when I think of Obama, I see a man who does have ultra-liberal viewpoints &#8211; much like you adhere to Libertarian dogma &#8211; but I also see a man who can listen to varied viewpoints thoughtfully and admit when he is at fault in thought or deed.</p><p>You are the true pessimist because you think that seeing is believing.  The truth is that believing is seeing.  You can influence our next President, Barak Obama is his name, by voicing your concerns rather than nay saying everything you believe he stands for.</p><p>Your blog and the comments you publish are always one-sided in support of your viewpoint.  You are, Mr. Ringer, the sophist&#8217;s sophist. You always take cogent thoughts and mangle them to your extreme viewpoint.</p><p>I read your articles because they do give clarity to issues.  They are the starting point for reasonable discussion and resolution.  But they are not the end all for how we must live and govern ourselves.</p><p>Richard Posner<br
/> Tokyo,Japan</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bamgmt</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1915</link> <dc:creator>bamgmt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1915</guid> <description>Robert:
Thank you for your insights.  Speaking of honesty, there is a Federal Lawsuit Berg vs Obama in which the DNC and Obama have admitted to Obama&#039;s being born in Kenya, which makes him intelligible for the Presidency of the USA.
The DNS is a co conspirator.  How is that for Moral.
ALl of the facts and admissions of the suit can be found at www.obamacrimes.com
I would be interested in your comments..
Keep telling the truth.
Ken</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert:</p><p>Thank you for your insights.  Speaking of honesty, there is a Federal Lawsuit Berg vs Obama in which the DNC and Obama have admitted to Obama&#8217;s being born in Kenya, which makes him intelligible for the Presidency of the USA.</p><p>The DNS is a co conspirator.  How is that for Moral.<br
/> ALl of the facts and admissions of the suit can be found at <a
href="http://www.obamacrimes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.obamacrimes.com</a></p><p>I would be interested in your comments..</p><p>Keep telling the truth.</p><p>Ken</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: serfee</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1914</link> <dc:creator>serfee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1914</guid> <description>Robert,
while I agree 100% with your thoughts on muddling through, I fear that when directing this thinking toward mankind, or a large populace it loses its power as a means to describe the future.
To many people the large concept is just too difficult to visualize...and if they can visualize it, it&#039;s sheer size makes them feel helpless.
However, in many of your writings you discuss personal responsibility. It is this personal responsibility that can be used to effectively explain &quot;muddling through&quot;.
I am a financial person...and have seen many people lose everything they have because of poor decisions in the past. This is a fact of life and does happen. What saddens me is that they lose far more than they needed to lose. In many cases, their homes could have been saved, their lives could have been restored, albeit at a lower standard of living, and their future could be planned for success. Why do these people lose more than was necessary?
The simple answer is that the failed to take action. They failed to honestly examine their situation and take action early enough to avoid the coming disaster, or if avoidance was not possible, to prepare for it and protect as much as they can. These people were both dishonest with themselves and chose to just &quot;muddle through&quot;.
I understand that it is very tempting to muddle through and not face facts. The truth often hurts, and requires acceptance that bad decisions were made (in very rare cases, unfortunate circumstances attributed to the problem, howver usually it can be traced back to bad decisions as well).
The muddle through approach works badly at a personal level. At a societal l;evel, it will be impossible...and with Givernment involved we will need a miracle of biblical proportions for the muddle through method to do more than delay the problem for a very short period.
Love your writings...keep it up, and continue being the voice we should all hear.
Best,
Randy</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p><p>while I agree 100% with your thoughts on muddling through, I fear that when directing this thinking toward mankind, or a large populace it loses its power as a means to describe the future.</p><p>To many people the large concept is just too difficult to visualize&#8230;and if they can visualize it, it&#8217;s sheer size makes them feel helpless.</p><p>However, in many of your writings you discuss personal responsibility. It is this personal responsibility that can be used to effectively explain &#8220;muddling through&#8221;.</p><p>I am a financial person&#8230;and have seen many people lose everything they have because of poor decisions in the past. This is a fact of life and does happen. What saddens me is that they lose far more than they needed to lose. In many cases, their homes could have been saved, their lives could have been restored, albeit at a lower standard of living, and their future could be planned for success. Why do these people lose more than was necessary?</p><p>The simple answer is that the failed to take action. They failed to honestly examine their situation and take action early enough to avoid the coming disaster, or if avoidance was not possible, to prepare for it and protect as much as they can. These people were both dishonest with themselves and chose to just &#8220;muddle through&#8221;.</p><p>I understand that it is very tempting to muddle through and not face facts. The truth often hurts, and requires acceptance that bad decisions were made (in very rare cases, unfortunate circumstances attributed to the problem, howver usually it can be traced back to bad decisions as well).</p><p>The muddle through approach works badly at a personal level. At a societal l;evel, it will be impossible&#8230;and with Givernment involved we will need a miracle of biblical proportions for the muddle through method to do more than delay the problem for a very short period.</p><p>Love your writings&#8230;keep it up, and continue being the voice we should all hear.</p><p>Best,</p><p>Randy</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: EternityWebsites.com</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1913</link> <dc:creator>EternityWebsites.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1913</guid> <description>You are dead-on in identifying the root cause to be an issue of morality.
Over the years, we&#039;ve come to rely on science, technology and the resilience of our markets to help us somehow &quot;muddle through&quot;... and we expect this trend to somehow contine.
You&#039;ve clearly shown that this is not a trend that will inevitably continue.
We can pour millions into trying to get J. McBama elected in an effort to prevent B. McBama from turning the USA into the USSA... we can pour trillions into a broken banking and market system... yet unless we address the underlying morality issue, it will all be like putting a band-aid on a gaping, mortal wound.
&quot;My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are dead-on in identifying the root cause to be an issue of morality.</p><p>Over the years, we&#8217;ve come to rely on science, technology and the resilience of our markets to help us somehow &#8220;muddle through&#8221;&#8230; and we expect this trend to somehow contine.</p><p>You&#8217;ve clearly shown that this is not a trend that will inevitably continue.</p><p>We can pour millions into trying to get J. McBama elected in an effort to prevent B. McBama from turning the USA into the USSA&#8230; we can pour trillions into a broken banking and market system&#8230; yet unless we address the underlying morality issue, it will all be like putting a band-aid on a gaping, mortal wound.</p><p>&#8220;My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge&#8230;&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dribas</title><link>http://robertringer.com/2008/10/is-it-too-late/#comment-1912</link> <dc:creator>dribas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=30#comment-1912</guid> <description>Hopefully, the &quot;messiah&quot; won&#039;t be around since it&#039;s looking more and more that he&#039;s not a natural citizen!
See http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=78671 . Thank goodness for Mr. Berg!
Dick</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, the &#8220;messiah&#8221; won&#8217;t be around since it&#8217;s looking more and more that he&#8217;s not a natural citizen!</p><p>See <a
href="http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#038;pageId=78671" rel="nofollow">http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#038;pageId=78671</a> . Thank goodness for Mr. Berg!</p><p>Dick</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
